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	<title>Comments on: Capturing Web Traffic Data &#8212; Two Methods That Suck</title>
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	<description>Thoughts, musings, and, hopefully, not too many redundancies on the world of business data. If you missed the irony in the previous sentence, you may struggle with my writing style.</description>
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		<title>By: All Web Analytics Tools Are the Same (at least when it comes to data capture) &#124; Gilligan on Data by Tim Wilson</title>
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		<dc:creator>All Web Analytics Tools Are the Same (at least when it comes to data capture) &#124; Gilligan on Data by Tim Wilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Feb 2010 22:15:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] needed to back up and make sure I had a good, clean explanation of a key aspect of the mechanics of page tag-based web analytics tools. I poked around on the interweb a bit and found some quick explanations that were accurate, but [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] needed to back up and make sure I had a good, clean explanation of a key aspect of the mechanics of page tag-based web analytics tools. I poked around on the interweb a bit and found some quick explanations that were accurate, but [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Franklin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Franklin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jan 2010 10:29:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is acceptable in terms of search engine optimization. Nothing appears to bother upon them compared to that!Funnily enough, this is just what was forewarned about several years prior at the blackhat con about search engines in 1995!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is acceptable in terms of search engine optimization. Nothing appears to bother upon them compared to that!Funnily enough, this is just what was forewarned about several years prior at the blackhat con about search engines in 1995!</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Wilson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Wilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 May 2009 00:06:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Matt Yikes. That&#039;s a tough one. I can&#039;t say I&#039;ve run into that situation, but I can&#039;t say I&#039;m surprised that someone did!

Am I understanding correctly that the problem occurs once a visitor lands on an Eloqua-managed landing page/hypersite? Everything works fine when you&#039;re on other pages on the site that simply have both the Eloqua and the GA tag, right? 

If that&#039;s the case, one kinda&#039; ugly option might be to shift the forms off of an Eloqua-managed page and then have the form POST to Eloqua (you still set up the form in Eloqua, it just doesn&#039;t handle the visitor-facing page).

That&#039;s not exactly soothing...
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Matt Yikes. That&#8217;s a tough one. I can&#8217;t say I&#8217;ve run into that situation, but I can&#8217;t say I&#8217;m surprised that someone did!</p>
<p>Am I understanding correctly that the problem occurs once a visitor lands on an Eloqua-managed landing page/hypersite? Everything works fine when you&#8217;re on other pages on the site that simply have both the Eloqua and the GA tag, right? </p>
<p>If that&#8217;s the case, one kinda&#8217; ugly option might be to shift the forms off of an Eloqua-managed page and then have the form POST to Eloqua (you still set up the form in Eloqua, it just doesn&#8217;t handle the visitor-facing page).</p>
<p>That&#8217;s not exactly soothing&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 19:35:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great article, Tim.  Have you run across issues with getting Google&#039;s reporting (both PPC and Analytics) to work properly on a site that uses Eloqua?  I recently discovered that conversions had dropped to zero because Eloqua was stripping out the gclid value when the ppc visitor submitted an inquiry form - so the google snippet wasn&#039;t picking up on that conversion event.  Managed to fix that by having Eloqua pass the gclid value in a hidden form field; conversions show up in Google PPC console,  but now Google Analytics isn&#039;t seeing ANY activity from paid search.  It&#039;s making me tear my hair out!  Any ideas/thoughts/soothing words?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article, Tim.  Have you run across issues with getting Google&#8217;s reporting (both PPC and Analytics) to work properly on a site that uses Eloqua?  I recently discovered that conversions had dropped to zero because Eloqua was stripping out the gclid value when the ppc visitor submitted an inquiry form &#8211; so the google snippet wasn&#8217;t picking up on that conversion event.  Managed to fix that by having Eloqua pass the gclid value in a hidden form field; conversions show up in Google PPC console,  but now Google Analytics isn&#8217;t seeing ANY activity from paid search.  It&#8217;s making me tear my hair out!  Any ideas/thoughts/soothing words?</p>
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		<title>By: Gilligan on Data by Tim Wilson &#187; The Best Little Book on Data</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gilligan on Data by Tim Wilson &#187; The Best Little Book on Data</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 02:58:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Lollyto</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lollyto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 20:26:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>favorited this one, man</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>favorited this one, man</p>
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		<title>By: tgwilson</title>
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		<dc:creator>tgwilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Feb 2008 03:58:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yikes! The danger of writing/reviewing on a 1280x1024 display! I&#039;ve resized the image to make it all fit, as well as made it a hyperlink to a larger version of the image. Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yikes! The danger of writing/reviewing on a 1280&#215;1024 display! I&#8217;ve resized the image to make it all fit, as well as made it a hyperlink to a larger version of the image. Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: Shabbir</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shabbir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 18:57:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Tim,
Great post, I liked it! however, the diagram showing the flow of traffic in page-tag based approach is not visible fully.

Thanks
Shabbir</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Tim,<br />
Great post, I liked it! however, the diagram showing the flow of traffic in page-tag based approach is not visible fully.</p>
<p>Thanks<br />
Shabbir</p>
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		<title>By: Capturing Web Traffic Data — Two Methods that Suck &#183; We cares</title>
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		<dc:creator>Capturing Web Traffic Data — Two Methods that Suck &#183; We cares</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2008 00:46:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] post by Gilligan on Data by Tim Wilson and software by Elliott [...]</description>
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