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	<title>Comments on: A Great Starting Point for Social Media ROI</title>
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		<title>By: Beth Kanter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Beth Kanter</dc:creator>
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		<description>I see you found my mashup of Ruff the Crime dog -- was going to use for a presentation I did on ROI and Technology for Legal Services, but went with a Law and Order metaphor ..
http://legalservices.wikispaces.com

I also did a case study slam - social media and nonprofits - did a little &quot;ask later&quot; style - and had a few nonprofits tell their stories
http://socialmediametrics.wikispaces.com

Love Connie&#039;s writings about ROI - and a great post.  Thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see you found my mashup of Ruff the Crime dog &#8212; was going to use for a presentation I did on ROI and Technology for Legal Services, but went with a Law and Order metaphor ..<br />
<a href="http://legalservices.wikispaces.com" rel="nofollow">http://legalservices.wikispaces.com</a></p>
<p>I also did a case study slam &#8211; social media and nonprofits &#8211; did a little &#8220;ask later&#8221; style &#8211; and had a few nonprofits tell their stories<br />
<a href="http://socialmediametrics.wikispaces.com" rel="nofollow">http://socialmediametrics.wikispaces.com</a></p>
<p>Love Connie&#8217;s writings about ROI &#8211; and a great post.  Thanks</p>
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		<title>By: John Whiteside</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Whiteside</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 14:05:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is one of those areas where one of the great lesson of business school - it&#039;s marginal changes that matter! - is really helpful. 

I find it frustrating to hear people coming up with cutesy ROI adaptions like &quot;return on influence&quot; because they&#039;re not useful: that&#039;s punchy, but if you can&#039;t measure the R and I the whole exercise is pointless. You&#039;ve listed some great things to consider, but how do you measure them? Well, you don&#039;t. 

You estimate how they will change. Here&#039;s a reasonable hypothesis: we can use social media to increase customer retention by 5%. Or to increase our win ratio by 3% because we&#039;ll increase the reputation of our brand. Or we can shorten the sales cycle by 10%. Or accelerate product development. Or...

It&#039;s very hard to measure the value of customers having heard of your as an abstract thing, but you can say &quot;here&#039;s where we are now, what if we could improve these metrics related to that issue by some reasonable amount?&quot;

It&#039;s not, of course, the perfect &quot;Put X social media fuel into the engine and Y will come out,&quot; but it&#039;s a useful way to quantify expectations. In many ways social media puts marketers back into the days of old-fashioned offline brand advertising; you can measure a lot of things, but drawing causal links is very hard. But you CAN make reasonable assumptions and test them out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is one of those areas where one of the great lesson of business school &#8211; it&#8217;s marginal changes that matter! &#8211; is really helpful. </p>
<p>I find it frustrating to hear people coming up with cutesy ROI adaptions like &#8220;return on influence&#8221; because they&#8217;re not useful: that&#8217;s punchy, but if you can&#8217;t measure the R and I the whole exercise is pointless. You&#8217;ve listed some great things to consider, but how do you measure them? Well, you don&#8217;t. </p>
<p>You estimate how they will change. Here&#8217;s a reasonable hypothesis: we can use social media to increase customer retention by 5%. Or to increase our win ratio by 3% because we&#8217;ll increase the reputation of our brand. Or we can shorten the sales cycle by 10%. Or accelerate product development. Or&#8230;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s very hard to measure the value of customers having heard of your as an abstract thing, but you can say &#8220;here&#8217;s where we are now, what if we could improve these metrics related to that issue by some reasonable amount?&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not, of course, the perfect &#8220;Put X social media fuel into the engine and Y will come out,&#8221; but it&#8217;s a useful way to quantify expectations. In many ways social media puts marketers back into the days of old-fashioned offline brand advertising; you can measure a lot of things, but drawing causal links is very hard. But you CAN make reasonable assumptions and test them out.</p>
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