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	<title>Comments on: All Web Analytics Tools Are the Same (at least when it comes to data capture)</title>
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	<description>Thoughts, musings, and, hopefully, not too many redundancies on the world of business data. If you missed the irony in the previous sentence, you may struggle with my writing style.</description>
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		<title>By: Jannis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jannis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 May 2010 12:01:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Tim, great article.
We´re currently working on an analytics tool that works a bit different and is suited for custom usecases: the user just sends the data thats intersting to him and he doesn´t need to use JavaScript in this case.

If you want to have a look, just check my website.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Tim, great article.<br />
We´re currently working on an analytics tool that works a bit different and is suited for custom usecases: the user just sends the data thats intersting to him and he doesn´t need to use JavaScript in this case.</p>
<p>If you want to have a look, just check my website.</p>
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		<title>By: link list for march 2010 &#171; Mixotricha</title>
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		<dc:creator>link list for march 2010 &#171; Mixotricha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Apr 2010 15:55:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] list for march&#160;2010    Use your skin as a keyboard all web analytics tools are the same when it comes to data capture Biology wrap video : great way of teaching ! We’re all alone and no one knows why Un-google [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] list for march&nbsp;2010    Use your skin as a keyboard all web analytics tools are the same when it comes to data capture Biology wrap video : great way of teaching ! We’re all alone and no one knows why Un-google [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Ernest Mueller</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ernest Mueller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 15:16:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great summary, you make a crusty old Web Admin proud :-)

The other important thing to note about this method is that it&#039;s a little lossy.  We spent months trying to figure out why when we first implemented page tagging, moving from our older log-based model, that we seemed to be missing visits.  I spent a lot of time comparing our access logs to the raw page tag log from the supplier and in the end, for mysterious reasons (and believe me I know and accounted for all the reasons page tag results are *supposed* to be different from log results), page tagging was dropping about 5% of our visits.  (Page tags got some visits logging didn&#039;t, but lost a bunch logging did, and this is the net difference.)  In the end, the supplier admitted &quot;Yeah... That happens.&quot;  

For marketing purposes, that&#039;s usually just fine.  But I think it&#039;s important to note that what you see from page tagging isn&#039;t 100% of what&#039;s actually happening, so don&#039;t make logic mistakes based on it (e.g. &quot;I&#039;m sure no one from Company X has looked at our Web site, because it doesn&#039;t show up in our page tag based analytics.&quot;).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great summary, you make a crusty old Web Admin proud <img src='http://www.gilliganondata.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>The other important thing to note about this method is that it&#8217;s a little lossy.  We spent months trying to figure out why when we first implemented page tagging, moving from our older log-based model, that we seemed to be missing visits.  I spent a lot of time comparing our access logs to the raw page tag log from the supplier and in the end, for mysterious reasons (and believe me I know and accounted for all the reasons page tag results are *supposed* to be different from log results), page tagging was dropping about 5% of our visits.  (Page tags got some visits logging didn&#8217;t, but lost a bunch logging did, and this is the net difference.)  In the end, the supplier admitted &#8220;Yeah&#8230; That happens.&#8221;  </p>
<p>For marketing purposes, that&#8217;s usually just fine.  But I think it&#8217;s important to note that what you see from page tagging isn&#8217;t 100% of what&#8217;s actually happening, so don&#8217;t make logic mistakes based on it (e.g. &#8220;I&#8217;m sure no one from Company X has looked at our Web site, because it doesn&#8217;t show up in our page tag based analytics.&#8221;).</p>
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		<title>By: BACS</title>
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		<dc:creator>BACS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 10:41:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for sharing this group of lesson learned, you have added a few points that I need to go away and consider.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for sharing this group of lesson learned, you have added a few points that I need to go away and consider.</p>
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		<title>By: Jared Huber</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jared Huber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Mar 2010 17:27:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Required reading for anyone serious about website measurement and analysis.  Great job breaking it into it&#039;s component pieces and explaining the value of understanding.  Next assignment to folks reading: download Charles proxy and start watching these js calls and pixel requests happen in real time to get a sense for what&#039;s being information is being passed by each site you visit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Required reading for anyone serious about website measurement and analysis.  Great job breaking it into it&#8217;s component pieces and explaining the value of understanding.  Next assignment to folks reading: download Charles proxy and start watching these js calls and pixel requests happen in real time to get a sense for what&#8217;s being information is being passed by each site you visit.</p>
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		<title>By: Liam Clancy (metafeather)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Liam Clancy (metafeather)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Mar 2010 17:27:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice summary

You might like to have a look at the opensource jsHub project:

 http://jshub.org/

which is attempting to deal with core problem of making all this stuff easier to understand and visible to the Web Analyst.

A key requirement of any web analytics product is getting accurate data into it in the first place, and there are so many things that can be misunderstood by a developer during the technical implementation that result in the permanent loss of data.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice summary</p>
<p>You might like to have a look at the opensource jsHub project:</p>
<p> <a href="http://jshub.org/" rel="nofollow">http://jshub.org/</a></p>
<p>which is attempting to deal with core problem of making all this stuff easier to understand and visible to the Web Analyst.</p>
<p>A key requirement of any web analytics product is getting accurate data into it in the first place, and there are so many things that can be misunderstood by a developer during the technical implementation that result in the permanent loss of data.</p>
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		<title>By: Linn Aragan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Linn Aragan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Mar 2010 05:42:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello just came across your blog and been browsing around some of your entries and just wondering why you selected a Wordpress blog dont you find it hard to do anything with? Been thinking about starting one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello just came across your blog and been browsing around some of your entries and just wondering why you selected a WordPress blog dont you find it hard to do anything with? Been thinking about starting one.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Mar 2010 17:55:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would suggest give Clicktale a try. I’ve been using it for 2 months and it is neat to watch what your users do, I learned a lot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would suggest give Clicktale a try. I’ve been using it for 2 months and it is neat to watch what your users do, I learned a lot.</p>
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		<title>By: Web Analytics Tracking on a Facebook Page &#124; Gilligan on Data by Tim Wilson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Web Analytics Tracking on a Facebook Page &#124; Gilligan on Data by Tim Wilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Mar 2010 14:08:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] it off, you do need to have a good understanding of how web analytics tools collect data, which I wrote an extensive post about a few days [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Dave Culbertson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Culbertson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Feb 2010 19:50:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post, Tim. It&#039;s amazing just how crude the data collection method truly is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post, Tim. It&#8217;s amazing just how crude the data collection method truly is.</p>
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